Who Killed Margie Schoedinger?

On December 2, 2002, Texas resident Margie Schoedinger, filed a lawsuit against President George W. Bush, claiming he and others committed "individual sex crimes" against her and her husband. The proper paperwork was filed, a detailed court petition was submitted, and it was apparent this case was serious; President Bush would be served with papers to appear before the court on charges of rape.

Now, I know what you’re thinking; this is big, if it’s for real, why didn’t I hear about it? Well, it appears there’s been a “media blackout” on the story, as no one, with the exception of a few local newspapers and internet sites, reported the story. The charges, whether fabricated or not, were legitimately filed and can still be read on the Fort Bend County website. Margie claimed, she had been harassed by both FBI and policemen, who she also filed cases against, and stated in her court petition…

"the Defendant [George Bush] also informed the Plaintiff [Margie Schoedinger] that his only option to assure his never having to answer for the previous contact would be to simply see Plaintiff pressured to the point of committing suicide"

On Monday September 22, 2003, 38-year-old African-American, Margie Schoedinger was found dead, with an apparent "gunshot wound to the head". The Harris Country Examiner's Office filed the death as a "suicide". Only 9 months after charges are filed, Margie Schoedinger is found dead.

Jackson Thoreau who interviewed Schoedinger shortly before her death reported, ”she didn't sound "deranged" to me in July 2003. She sounded like someone who had gone through something weird and was trying to sort it out. She sounded like someone who wanted the truth to come out.” It was during this exchange, Schoedinger expressed, "I am still trying to prosecute [the lawsuit]…I want to get this matter settled and go on with my life…People have to be accountable for what they do, and that's why I'm pursuing it."

Comments

[dan ryan]

how come it shows up in the filings that schoedinger worked for the state of texas as a commercial driver and no one followed up on it and no one ever found out what she did and where when she was younger.

Does anyone have new information on this story?

[Teddo]

It would appear the Fort Bend County website is "down for backups". Last time I checked, the documents related to the case were no longer available for download.

[Tedoo]

Nope. Wrong. It's back up.

[ledge of liberty]

If anyone has any follow up information on this story, please email me (Peter) at the email link at the top right side of this page, or post it here. Thank you!

-Peter (ledge of liberty)

[M@]

Maybe the police and news reporters investigated it when she filed the charges(I recall seeing this item in more than one place on national television, as well as her death), and when they realized that the only story was that a person who they judged was not credible filed a barely credible charge most likely as a result of her mental problems and so they stopped giving her their valuable time. No need to keep harrassing her and her family because that would be cruel, and the poor woman doesn't mean any harm because she is unfortunately not sane. You never hear the rest of the story because it would be cruel to make her tell it, or to tell it about her after she's dead.

No followup needed because there was no proof and no one but this lady saying so. Sort of like that lady that Clinton supposedly raped, except that from the story I read which you have linked, it clearly shows the likelihood that she wasn't sane.

The first charge, where the "unknown assailants" for which "no report was filed" yet "plaintiff was repeatedly and aggressively questioned" sound a lot to me like every episode of COPS where the police show up and a poor mentally insane person is berating regular people because she thinks they are FBI sent from George Bush to get her. It's sad that there are people like that, but there are.

Even if it's true, she was hard pressed to prove it. Perhaps she was actually insane, bless her heart. I think you're better off just accepting that unless you are positive she couldn't have committed suicide it ought to be dropped. The blog account of the guy says "he didn't sound too strange" but I found the whole thing to point at her being strange. That she talked about people killing her to make it look like suicide before she committed suicide seems easy to believe, but the idea that someone killed her does not.

Do you really want to go rooting around in her family's pain to find out that she really didn't have anything but her word? I remember the story being kind of unbelievable when I heard it from her living mouth. Now that I look over the evidence you've given, I find Occam's razor telling me that this poor woman was mad.

I'm allowing for the possibility that Bush is a freaky committer of sex crime on the unsuspecting public, but it stretches the bounds of her credibility to believe it, which to my knowledge did not satisfy the rigorous standards of the mainstream media. So far it does not satisfy mine either.

Cheers,
M@

[IC]

In Response to M@:

First of all, how is it that you can make this incredible leap with such confidence to the conclusion that she was insane? You make outlandish suggestions as to what may have happened to such a degree, that I wonder if you're a disinformation agent yourself. For example, you say:

"...I recall seeing this item in more than one place on national television, as well as her death..."

I've been following the current events of the day via national media religiously for the last 4 years or so and had never even gotten a whiff of this story on national T.V. Feel free to prove me wrong (which I doubt you'll be able to) by providing the name of one of the national TV news sources that you claim reported on this story. I'll gladly follow up your claim with unbiased research. Although I suspect that the effort will be in vain.

"...Maybe the police and news reporters investigated it when she filed the charges...and when they realized that the only story was that a person who they judged was not credible filed a barely credible charge most likely as a result of her mental problems and so they stopped giving her their valuable time..."

Well, apparently the local law enforcement wasn't as cooperative as you would expect your normal Officer Bob to be. When there was a failed attempt by certain individuals to abduct her in October 2000 the local police actually refused to file a report. This is the very reason why she filed suit against the Sugar Land Police Department as well. I'm sure you wouldn't be too gleeful if a major crime was committed against you and then your local police would not even so much write up a report about it. It seems to suggest that she was facing organised harassment donchathink? Again, I fail to see why you repeatedly go out of your way to label this woman insane.

"...No need to keep harrassing her and her family because that would be cruel..."

If the allegations are true, then it seems to me that George W. Bush and his administration/ covert ops/ skull & bones/ cronies (pick one or more which apply) don't appear to agree with you there. Then again, maybe they do, which makes it all the more sinister.

"...and the poor woman doesn't mean any harm because she is unfortunately not sane..."

And how do you know this? Could it be from the crystal ball that you've pulled from out of your rear-end? At least that would explain your murky point of view on this matter.

"...You never hear the rest of the story because it would be cruel to make her tell it, or to tell it about her after she's dead. No followup needed because there was no proof and no one but this lady saying so..."

Why don't we hear the rest of the story? According to you: Because it would be cruel to tell it... Brilliant! (oozing with sarcasm). You know maybe you are a disinformation agent after all. Because now you're now beginning to suggest that no followup is needed. Whoever you are, I just hope you aren't a homicide detective (or any kind of detective). Because if they all had your mindset by assuming that there is no proof or any leads right from the start then very few cases would be solved.

"...The first charge, where the "unknown assailants" for which "no report was filed" yet "plaintiff was repeatedly and aggressively questioned" sound a lot to me like every episode of COPS where the police show up and a poor mentally insane person is berating regular people because she thinks they are FBI sent from George Bush to get her..."

What the he__??!! How old are you...Twelve? It also appears that you live far from any of America's metropolitan areas. There's nothing wrong with your location, except that you may have a skewed perception of "city-life" and an over-association with reality based T.V. shows.

"...Even if it's true, she was hard pressed to prove it. Perhaps she was actually insane, bless her heart. I think you're better off just accepting that unless you are positive she couldn't have committed suicide it ought to be dropped..."

Awww bless your heart. You have the reasoning skills of a seven-year-old. Maybe we're better off accepting that until we are positive that you are a disinformation agent. Then again, you seem to be in some sort of denial...Are you Laura Bush?

"...That she talked about people killing her to make it look like suicide before she committed suicide seems easy to believe, but the idea that someone killed her does not..."

Your logic is so bizarre that it is actually numbing. I'm sure that in the dictionary it shows your picture next to the definition of tunnel-vision. It now appears that you are incapable of exploring the possibility that she did not committ suicide as shown by your statement above. You have obviously locked onto the assumption that she committed suicide and are content to let all other facts fall where they may until they almost fit. I suppose you are surrounded by a box....try to think outside of it for once. Try assuming she's telling the truth and then see if the chips fit then. I know it may be difficult for you to grasp that concept (living in Okepenoke, Montana and all) but try your best O.K.?

"... Do you really want to go rooting around in her family's pain to find out that she really didn't have anything but her word? I remember the story being kind of unbelievable when I heard it from her living mouth. Now that I look over the evidence you've given, I find Occam's razor telling me that this poor woman was mad..."

With each and every statement you make, it becomes increasingly more difficult to phanthom your bird-brained logic. And how do you know she had nothing but her word? Is it even remotely possible that she had some sort of evidence that she either disclosed or gave to someone she trusted for safe keeping?
You keep insisting that she was insane or mad. But the fact that she made the reasonable choice to represent herself in court (which is not generally advised, but who can you trust if you're suffering from consistent high-level (i.e. Presidential) organised harrassment?) and showed the capability of preparing a well-thought-out petition to file the charges in court doesn't support your "insane" theory. Neither does the fact that she wanted to continue her education to obtain her Phd. In and of themselves, these facts don't exclude one from being insane, but they certainly don't lend themselves to insanity either. So what does Occam's razor say about that?

"...I'm allowing for the possibility that Bush is a freaky committer of sex crime on the unsuspecting public, but it stretches the bounds of her credibility to believe it..."

Actually you don't appear to allow for much outside the assumption that she was insane or not credible. Strangely though, you seem to describe to a tee the very reason that Mrs. Schoedinger claims she has suffered all the harassment (and probably an untimely death)...the fact that you acknowledge that your President may be a "freaky committer of sex crime(s) on the unsuspecting public" and that you are so aware of this possibility but refuse to consider that she was "credible" enough to make the accusation, only demonstrates the undying (and fatal) loyalty that some people have towards Dubya despite all of the documented extreme corruptness that he and his family have demonstrated throughout the years.

"...which to my knowledge did not satisfy the rigorous standards of the mainstream media..."

Wow...You know if anyone else had said this I would assume that they were joking. The sad part is that you probably don't understand why that statement is so alarming. The only "rigorous standards" the mainstream media have is whether a story is suitable enough to keep the American Sheep asleep. Anything unwanted is either blacked-out, manipulated, white-washed, or ridiculed. But you wouldn't know that would you?

"...So far it does not satisfy mine either..."

On that note, there is no need for me to comment any further.

i think we are all missing the big picture here. A suit was filed. A woman is dead. Our president is involved. End of story. There is no room for who, what where when and why, because she did not live to give those facts and conveniently for our sorry excuse of a president...it was never publicized. WHY?????? He did it that is why.

[BM]

To posted by Nov.1, How do you know the President was involved were you there? Were any of the people that have posted anything relative to this discussion there? As a person who was once a protector of the public we were trained that until you have the facts don't pass judgment on anyone for fear of retribution and the the shortcomings thereof. Some of these people really crack me up, nothing has ever been found to be factual except that a suit was filed an that this poor women was found dead. Have any of you seen the forensics, seen the body, or for that matter even been to the Sugarland police to ask any questions, some of it just may be of public record and you could start your own investigation into what happened. Until I hear of anything definitive I wouldn't pass any judgment on anyone muchless the President, bearing false statements can get you in alot of trouble. You might to think about this a little. There are things in this world that yes don't add up. But to keep going on and on about something that you have no control over is rediculous. Go out and try doing some investigating in the real world of crimes and see how you do. The lay public has no idea what to expect when you come up on a crime scene and see all the blood, and disturbance that goes along with a shooting.

[MissouriGirl]

This story about Bush raping a woman probably has some truth to it. He did the same thing 29 years ago but his victim is still alive and plans on staying that way. His comments, as he was raping her, were "Shut up, shut up, you deserve this". She was tied up and helpless. The only thing she could do was scream, but he fixed this by putting a pillow over her face.

M@ wrote;
Do you really want to go rooting around in her family's pain to find out that she really didn't have anything but her word? I remember the story being kind of unbelievable when **I heard it from her living mouth.**

M@, when did you talk to an alive Margie Schoedinger? Why was she telling her story to you? What do you know about her 'word?' How soon after that was she 'suicided?'

[J Hurt]

The media censorship has been complete. Doesn't that bother "free" people in a democracy?

[2Unknown]

Update: the case was dropped by the State due to the plantiff being "deceased". But, the case is still available for view here:

http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/docdetail.asp?id=%0BND9Q3ww%037KUBX%21DM0ltNc3O&ms;=0&cabinet;=civil&pg;=&id2;=y8yMDAgQU0%3Dy%1FMTIvM%211%21CPM%219%21fItTg6MzQPZiE%21%03yIDk6N

[Not in my name]

I am a student in a Speech 101 class. On Thursday, I did an informative speech about Margie Schoedinger. I asked the question, "Did the American public have the right to know about the lawsuit?"

I was surprised that althought I had a captive and spell bound audience, only one person wanted to speak to me after class about my presentation.

The person who wanted to discuss it further was someone who told us War was necessary to achieve piece. According to him, if you kill all the people who disagree with you, then you will achieve your goal ~ peace. When the subject of how to end homelessness came up, you guessed it, my classmate actually suggested killing the homeless ~ and he was serious!

I just want to thank you for your web page, and I want to thank 2Unknown who posted the address where a copy of the lawsuit could be obtained.

[Q?]

In Margie's allegation she said that these people had assaulted her husband as well. Has anyone asked him if he was assaulted? Seems to me he would be a material wittness in her lawsuit? How about some info on her contact with Bush when she was a minor? So many things missing here that I can't quite put my full support behind the story, but it makes for exciting reading. Just looking for facts here so don't go flaming me please.

[ish]

It is interesting to notice some bush supporters are here to make sure they stop you from questioning this.

It was an interesting read and i have not really formed an opinion but i just had to point out the nerve of some in here .

[Black Raiser]

As for the "Occam's razor" suggestions that the woman was mad, only a competent psychiatrist can answer that one. Our opinions don't really matter. It would have been very easy to dismiss Monica Lewinsky as a crazy nut. But we know better now, don't we? And besides, even mentally disturbed people can be raped and deserve to have their claims investigated. Who killed the story, and why?

After the sexual abuse reports at Abu Graib and other prisons, we must ask if this is all part of an "official" pattern.

What could happen if a sex offender became the world's most powerful player?

Probable Outcome: Denial of constitutional rights

Probable Outcome: Wrongful use of international principles

Probable Outcome: Torture and sex abuse during interrogations

Probable Outcome: Concealment behind false religious piety

[americelt]

BM,
You said that you were "once a protector of the public we were trained that until you have the facts don't pass judgment on anyone for fear of retribution..." Was murder Margie's retribution? Investigating around Sugarland, TX will likely be difficult as Texans may not talk much to outsiders seeking the truth and it may end the investigator's life; like Danny Casolaro's. The Bushstein's are a powerful Bavarian rooted family, and have a lot of light on them.
..."some of it may be public record..." Why isn't all of it public record, BM? What is being hidden?
BM= Bowel Movement.
2Unknown; of course the case was dropped; "dead women tell no more tales."
J Hurt; This is *not* a Democracy; it's a quasi-Oligarchy and may soon be a true Oligarchy.
Dear Not in my name; I am glad that a non-jaded student has offered some real information. Has George W. Bushstein, or George H. W. Bushstein ever directly or indirectly killed *anyone* who's disagreed with them?
Another real question here is who nearly Blacked Out this story? What was being covered up?
Remember: The son usually does not veer far from the father.

[DrWap]

Interesting story and plenty of things to follow up on but the reality is that unless someone steps up to the plate and continues the investigation we may never know the truth.
As tempting as it is to use this to smear President Bush ( I for one have seen enough to believe we should not have elected him) the truth is that bringing charges against someone, anyone, is much easier then proving charges. As such I would not be surprised to learn that public officials are frequently accused of crimes that because of a lack of credulity are never prosecuted.
If I had the required free time I would start looking into this womans life with the intention of establishing her veracity, this may not seem fair but she brought the charges and so (in not insane) had to expect a great deal of scrutiny. To M@ I would like to mention that a charge of this significance requires due diligence in investigating both the accused and the accuser to assure that the truth comes out, that fact that the accuser is deceased does not deminish the charge. Nor does her death make it impossible to investigate, it does complicate things though. Please remember also that crime victims suffer a good deal of depression as a result of the crime and as a direct result may commit suicide.
Both sides of this case could benefit from continued investigation, and both sides could benefit the case disappearing, but the rest of the country can only benefit from the truth coming out.

Dr Wap

[wetferret]

STFU YALL WHITEY HATIN JEW BIGOT MF'S

[DrWap]

I think I love you wetferret

[froggy]

Dear IC.
Give me a break.. a conspiracy?
Remember Clinton?
Those clowns in government can't even keep their sex life secret... let alone asassins, etc.
Bush has his faults, but repeated sex abuse? Puleeeze..
When I hear claims of repeated sex abuse, I tune it out as complete bull shit... the first time, O.K., you have a point... but 'repeated' says you went back for more or you are incredibly stupid.
IC,Your frantic slash attack on M@ reveals a highly volatile and unstable character. Your response was so laden with vitriolic personal attacks on M@ that one has to wonder where the hell you are coming from. i.e.

< What the he__??!! How old are you...Twelve?
You have the reasoning skills of a seven-year-old. Maybe we're better off accepting that until we are positive that you are a disinformation agent. Then again, you seem to be in some sort of denial...Are you Laura Bush?
Your logic is so bizarre that it is actually numbing. I'm sure that in the dictionary it shows your picture next to the definition of tunnel-vision.
I know it may be difficult for you to grasp that concept (living in Okepenoke, Montana and all) but try your best O.K.? With each and every statement you make, it becomes increasingly more difficult to phanthom your bird-brained logic. The sad part is that you probably don't understand why that statement is so alarming. The only "rigorous standards" the mainstream media have is whether a story is suitable enough to keep the American Sheep asleep. Anything unwanted is either blacked-out, manipulated, white-washed, or ridiculed. But you wouldn't know that would you?>>

Talk about 'numbing'. :o)
Girl, you are full of hate and you need some professional help.
Froggy.

This is why liberals lost - crap analysis of fact and unquestioned credibility given to fringe nutjobs.

Welcome to the world of a Repbulican House, Republican Senate, and Republican White House. You people deserve to lose with this type of crap nonsense. Call Oliver Stone with this crap - oh, wait, he's in jail for DUI and drug possession, probably a conspiracy, huh Oliver.

This is the type of stupidity that underlies liberals given no respect and no credibility. Bush is a dope and should have been defeated easily - but liberals are just too stupid - go blame the cristians or someone else for your loss - but until you look in the mirror, you'll never know truly why you are losers.

[Gareth Fenley, LMSW, CPS]

I learned about this story today from one of my e-mail lists and researched it on the Web. I downloaded and read the entire document filed by Ms. Schoedinger in Texas. I would like to share my conclusions with you.

First let me tell you who I am. I am a professional with two careers. I am a psychiatric social worker and a journalist. My experience and training in both fields help me to evaluate this story. I will give you my own unofficial, independent, personal opinion on that basis.

Ms. Schoedinger claims to be experiencing ongoing personal visits with George Bush while he is President, and during these visits he commits sex crimes. She also makes many other claims detailed in her complaint. Ms. Schoedinger appears to have had a paranoid psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia. I work with many good people who have recovered from such episodes. Words like "lunatic" and "nutcase" for people who are experiencing delusions due to a mental disorder are unacceptable.

Ms. Schoedinger's assertions are not bizarre or unusual to me. Such stories are found in everyday practice in clinical psychiatry. During an episode of psychosis, the one who tells these tales sincerely believes they are true. Persecution by police and the federal government as well as relationships with famous people are common themes. In addition, all news organizations receive many communications from people reporting delusions. A delusion is simply a fixed, false belief caused by improper brain function. It may have some relationship to real events, seeming to be a false interpretation of something that really happened, or it may have nothing to do with reality at all. Psychosis is conventionally treated with medication, which works very well for most people.

I would judge that every Washington bureau of legitimate news organizations has had an opportunity to evaluate this story by now and judge that it is not appropriate for national reporting.

It is a tragedy that Ms. Schoedinger predicted her own suicide and no intervention prevented that. People with this type of illness are at high risk for suicide. It is common to meet people who have survived multiple attempts, but guns are a most unfortunately lethal method that may be used by men, women or children. Statistics do not tell us what an individual will do. We have no information from local authorities, health care providers, family and friends to know what was really going on during Ms. Schoedinger's life and what efforts were made to try to help her. If she had contact with the mental health system, that information is confidential.

This is a tragic story of severe mental illness leading to premature death, one that is repeated every day everywhere around the world. If it is a news story at all, it is a mental health story that should should move the public to greater compassion and care for people with psychotic disorders whose suffering without treatment can be extreme.

[Daz]

No matter what the truth is, It will not be found untill the case is thouroughly investiagated, by a non parrtison investigative agency, that doesn't answer to the white house.
Your everyday generic [owned] news media can no more publish the truth than I can explain the "theory of rings."
The fact, that this story was dropped, indicates that there was one hell-of-a-lot-of truth to it.

who is wetferret? and what does STFU mean?

who is wetferret? and what does STFU mean?

some of y'all need to take off the tinfoil hats. Is George W responsible for all of those cattle mutilations, as well?

[Black Raiser]

Margie Schoedinger's husband was perhaps the only person to shed light on this strange matter. He should have come foreward to verify that Margie was emotionally disturbed. However, he seems to have gone into hiding! Is he also another crazy person? Or is there perhaps a dark reason why Geroge W. Bush doesn't want to discuss the years of his early 20s?
I have a hunch the reality of this story will finally break when Bush's poll ratings dip far into the low end. With "Scooter" down and Rove in the hot seat, that may be very soon.

[George Jefferson]

Holy shit whoever thought this idea up is aweseome. I hope you made your million. This shit's hilarious. Think they're so uneducated they can't think for 2 seconds when on the Office of the County Clerk, Fort Bend County, Texas "website" they would wonder hhhmmm where is the home link to get back to the main web site....whew that alone...hahaha I mean the address isn't even in fort bend county LOL! not to mention the html address LOL!

[Anonymus]

Your link to the Fort Bend County website is bad. It doesn't corroborate your story. What gives?

A Concerned Citizen

[hiiii]

"http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1986144-1-7.pdf" is the pdf-file the site generates only after you:

1. search "Schoedinger, Margie",
2. Click on case number "22127",
3. Click on "PETITION",
4. Retrieve pages 1-7 as PDF...

LOL

That's what I did anyways & I found it...

[Ray Mason]

Once again all record of that courtcase seem to have disappeared from the courthouse database. I myself accessed those records several times in the past but now I get a message that no such case exists. I guess it went down the "memory hole" along with Margie Schodinger herself.

[encore]

HOW'S THIS FOR AN ENCORE?

(SEARCH THE NET FOR THIS...)
MOSS vs BUSH lawsuit
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/1028

THEN READ ABOUT HIS DEATH....
http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2005/08/rev-bill-moss-dies.html